Monday, November 14, 2011

What a fantastic conversation.

While figuring out the faults with solipsism, I also had this enlightening conversation with my good friend, Frank Parker. Some of the details are taken from God's Debris, by Scott Adams (It can be viewed for free here.) And now, without further ado, here is said conversation. Enjoy.

Eddie Andrews: Nothing is real. And if it is, then no one cares.

Frank Parker: Then everything is real.

EA: By whose definition, though? What is 'real'? How does one define, 'real?'

FP: Well, why use a definition that says that nothing can qualify?

EA: If 'real' is what you can touch, what you can taste, and smell, then 'real' is just electrical signals interpreted by your mind.

FP: True.

EA: Shush. I'm quoting Morpheus. 

FP: Reality can not be explained. You have to see it for yourself.

EA: There is no reality. No one sees the same thing, and there is no way to prove otherwise. We all see our own delusions.

FP: Perhaps. But if life can not interact with reality, or truly understand reality, what makes it real?

EA: Human-defined words makes it real. 

FP: Well then human-defined experience should define it!

EA: But 'real' and 'reality' are only placeholders. They are used to explain something we don't understand, and cannot prove validity to.

FP: I recognize that!

EA: God's Debris. 

FP: Yep. That was rather interesting.

EA: Except he was talking about gravity..

FP: Still relevant.

EA: It's a very valid point. I like it. So I've used it to break other people's arguments ever since. 

FP: Fun! And ya, I'm rather fond of that point too. I never agreed with his view on probability though...

EA: That was... interesting. What was it? That probability is god rebuilding himself?

FP: Essentially. And that probability essentially decides everything.

EA: I can kinda see how it's loosely related...Well, that bit is pretty true. In a way.

FP: Sort of.

EA: The most probable things to happen are the things that do. And if something improbable happens, it is shortly corrected, or 'replaced' by a particle that has a higher probability of being there.

FP: But probability is a concept designed for human comprehension.

EA: It is. But the very first point is a good one. "If you flip a coin, how often will it be tails?"

FP: How often? 50%

EA: But why?

FP: But if you flip a coin, will it land on heads? That can be tested to a 100% accuracy, assuming you have the appropriate information.

EA: But there is no explanation as to why the probability of 50/50 is there.

FP: There can be.

EA: Sure, it's due to the way you flip it, particles that interract with the coin in the air, wind resistance, etc etc etc.

FP: At its most base level there is something missing though...

EA: Why does a creature of imperfection still return a 50/50 rate?

FP: Well there's another thing. That's an assumption. You do not know a coin will land heads 50% until you flip it infinity times.

EA: But it will. The more trials that are run, the closer and closer it gets.

FP: Closer and closer. 99.99999....% But never 100%

EA: 50% is an asymptote, of sorts.

FP: Humans will never reach 100% on anything.

EA: Agreed.

FP: So how close should you get to make an assumption?

EA: 50.0000000000000 ... 1% It's all a matter of probability.

FP: So the more trials you run, the more accurate you get. Is reality perfect?

EA: Hard to tell. 

FP: Agreed. Considering we can't truly experience it. So what the hell is reality?

EA: I suppose it would be perfection. Or at least, analogous to it.

FP: So what place does probability have in reality?

EA: All of it.

FP: Only in our understanding of reality though.

EA: And probability is the bridge. It is calculable in our definitions of everything, while at the same time, constitutes what perfection, and therefore, true reality, is. We are here because the events that lead to the evolution of humanity was favored by probability. The universe happened the way it did because it was less probable to happen any other way. ... What is perfection?

FP: Good question. The idea that something will happen the same way every time?

EA: ... I'd say it's the mastery of probability. If you could control the likelihood of the outcome of anything, you could change anything to your will. You could succeed at everything because you would make success more probable to you. And if probability is the essence of god, then perfection is the mastery and control of God himself.


EA: I'm definitely posting this conversation on my blog.

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